Thanks everyone for participating in Fengjian (Feudalism) the Game. There were many creative players and keen negotiators in both classes. For our warmup today you are going to be reflecting on what happened and how it might have been for actual people in ancient China.
If you missed class yesterday go to http://ancientchinaonline.com/china-feudal-system/ for a summary of the feudal system in China.
-What kind of patterns emerged during the game? (explain the cycle)
-As an actually Huangdi or Shi, what must you have to survive and thrive within a feudalist system? (both physically and mentally)?
-We all played as members of the upper class. How might feudalism effect the lower classes?
-Does it seem like the kind of government you’d want to live with? Why or why not?
Well two groups joined up and destroyed the other group we kind of did that the whole game. And for some strange reason we kept rolling 6,7,8 most of the time. Might be part of a group with a lot more people and do what is in their best interest. It's possible that they would die off slowly or maybe they would start helping out by growing food or building weapons and they would get money by doing that. I don't think I would want to live in that government, because a lot of people die and it seems like they go to war a lot and I like our government, because I don't have to do those things and that we don't have the same social structure.
ReplyDeleteEvery emperor was in power for a short amount of time. A new dynasty was always rising and many were overthrown. To survive you had to have land. Feudalism might effect the lower class because they get ignored.
ReplyDeletePeople were taking sides and there were two emperors working together against the other emperor. Then every time there was a war then the two emperors would win because they had more followers. You need food and shelter to survive and you needed to be able to fight or be a good emperor. What ever side they are on then it might effect them because they might have been farming on one spot for a while then it just gets taken over in just one day. No because anything can happen at any time.
ReplyDeleteIn the game everyone teamed up on and went against the team with the least soldiers but lots of land..
ReplyDeleteI think thats exactly how it would happen in china for real. People will fight the ones who dont have much resources .
Yes you have to survive physically and mentally because you need to be strong to fight for land and also be able to go without eating a lot,.. Mentally because you need to think strategically to know who to attack
The patterns for me was to go with the lord that started out with the least followers, and after a while the kingdom will grow. If you start out too big than you fall more easily. This happened 3 times in the class.
ReplyDeleteAs and actual Shi or Huangdi there would be so much more stuff going on. In reality making deals like the one's we simulated in class would have been gained through many trials and years. Famine would strike more than just 3 people, disease would kill more tan just one person, and mongols would slaughter people and not just destroy the land. Obviously spies would send information and try to stay hidden without destroying territory, And as Huangdi you wouldn't need to ask people to defend you, they would because you told them to.
Without the lower class, we would have all starved, there wouldn't be any land for us, in fact we would have been the lower class.
No. City states that are constantly bickering and fighting is never a good place to live in. Especially if it was in medieval China.
To survive within a feudalism you need to think logical and try to make good deals with shi warriors and/or emperors.Feudalism might effect the lower class because they can't do anything. If an army was attacking then they wouldn't know so they might end up dying. I wouldn't want to live in a government like that because other armies would come and destroy are villages and kil my family and friends.
ReplyDeleteWhat type of patterns i sen in the game is that like people kept rolling the same numbers.You must have a lot of yards of land.I think because you have to help the people that is is in lower class.No I would never want to live there because they have lot os wars. People being getting killed over there land
ReplyDeleteThere was numbers rolled over and over. ??? about the rest!
ReplyDeleteBecause of the co-joined team, people started joining the most powerful group. (I don't know if this is the answer that you are looking for or not.)
ReplyDeleteAs a Huangdi, or shi you must join a group, or a empire, and if you wanted to survive, you would have to join the biggest group, or on that is combined. You would not survive with a small group, or by yourself because people could, and would terminate you very easily. You also have to stay in good status with your group and with other groups. If you were not in good terms in your group, you could be forced to leave and join a weaker group. If you were rude and mean to other group, their groups might join up and destroy your group.
( I was unable to finish, but I hope I got my point out.)
-What kind of patterns emerged during the game? (explain the cycle)
ReplyDeleteEvery time there was a new emperor or empress everyone would go to them and ask them if they can protect them.
-As an actually Huangdi or Shi, what must you have to survive and thrive within a feudalist system? (both physically and mentally)?
You need enough land to live and you need to decide well on who you are going to defend.
-We all played as members of the upper class. How might feudalism effect the lower classes?
They probably lose land and money easily since they are underclassmen
-Does it seem like the kind of government you’d want to live with? Why or why not?
No, too much change and corruption.
-there was rise in power and then loss. There was a new emperor after some time and people would flock over to the new emperor.
ReplyDelete-You have to have land and support from your emperor as well as from the people around you.
-The lower class would loose all their land and have to start over from scratch every time.
-No because there would be a lot to worry about from loosing land, worrying where to get money or food, wars, and another emperor at any moment
It seemed like there was a pattern of disease, famine, and war. Some rulers would die and others would live. You would have to have food and a strong ruler to be able to survive. I think it would be horrible for the lower classes, they would have little food and power. If you're powerful this is the sort of government you want to be with, otherwise it sucks. I'm not rich and I don't have power so I wouldn't want to live with it.
ReplyDelete1. When a new ruler comes, disease, war and death happens. So the new ruler rules for a short amount of time until he/she is overthrown or dies.
ReplyDelete2. Trusted warriors and people, you must be smart, land, and money. (?)
3. Feudalism can effect the lower class by destroying homes and crops when they are in war, they can die, and they can raise taxes on stuff.
4. No. I would not want to live with that kind of government because if I did I wouldn't have a fair life.
The more powerful people would get taken out and killed because the poorer people were jealous.
ReplyDeleteYou have to use the resources around you (people, land, smarts) for your personal gain.
-We all played as members of the upper class. How might feudalism effect the lower classes?
Possibly, if I was one of the more powerful members of the community.
1. the kinds of patterns i noticed during the game was the same as the map we have looked at over the couple of days we been learning about this
ReplyDelete2. you must have land to live and to be healthy.
3. i'm not to sure
4. no because it is not stable!.
I didn't think that there would be much of a cycle, but there was! Many of the dice rolls yielded famine, disease or war, which help it along. Basically, there were about three emperors that people were with. Then someone rolled a war and everything got flipped upside down. Emperors died and empires fell. Then two or three NEW emperors rose up again, and all of the Shi flocked to their new leaders. Then it all started over again.
ReplyDeleteI think to survive in an actual Feudalist system, you have to be very very clever. I think that there was a lot of bartering and bargaining yesterday. Feudalism also has a lot to do with loyalty, so you have to know when to be loyal to an emperor, and what emperor you should be loyal to. You also have to know when defection, spying, and sabotage are appropriate. It all has to do with playing the game right, and every person is for themselves.
I think that for the lower classes it would be a bit different. Up high, land is being changed hands constantly, but when you actually get on the land, it's still the same land, and the people are still the same people. I think most lower classmen just wanted to be left alone.
I wouldn't want to live in this society at all. I dislike politics of this nature, and I wouldn't want to be of a lower class in such a hierarchical and non-democratic society.
1) People kept over ruling each other and switching sides
ReplyDelete2)Uhh Idk ?
3)You would be taken for granted and have to listen to everyone and really wouldn't have a say you have to obey all the rules to.
4)No I would not want to live in a government like this because it is not fair. To the lower class people and you really don't have a chance to live your life you have to obey every one who maybe richer then you.
-The kinds of patterns that I noticed yesterday was when somebody new in high power came everybody went to go and help them protect their stuff. Also their was a lot of wars and when it was time not everybody had enough land to survive to they had to die. Another thing is that some of the high powers combined together so that they can gang up on the others and make them loose power.
ReplyDelete-First off you need worriers and people to back you up when their is a war and you need lots of land and land owners.
-It might effect them because they might not have nothing. Also it was hard living a warrior which means lower class would have been harder to survive through everything. Another thing is that they can not really do nothing for the higher class so they will be worthless.
-No i would not want to live like in that kind of government because it is not fair or equal so I will like to stay living in democracy.
new emperor disease ppl die thats the cycle
ReplyDeleteno because ppl die
The pattern that was emerged during the game was that a lot of knights would go to the new emperor.They must have land and good communication that the leader is going to protect you to survive and thrive within a feudalist system. No because I dont want to buy him or her and I want to own my own land.
ReplyDelete-What kind of patterns emerged during the game? (explain the cycle)
ReplyDeletepeople were getting really good at getting people to be on their side, people had trust with one another.
-As an actually Huangdi or Shi, what must you have to survive and thrive within a feudalist system? (both physically and mentally)?
the amount of land you had, or was given.
-We all played as members of the upper class. How might feudalism effect the lower classes?
they just get to pay income tax .. or like they always have to switch who they pay their money to.
-Does it seem like the kind of government you’d want to live with? Why or why not?
Umm , kinda but not really. It feels like it's doing to much just to be able to live.. But then again I guess that's the point of living.